Andrew

There are turbullences ahead.

Some past actions could be benchmarked to finding a solution to the multiverse of issues.

We are still experiencing Entropy

Cheers, *.**/noah*

On Wed, 10 Sept 2025, 11:12 am Andrew Alston, aa@alstonnetworks.net wrote:

Care to explain why you believe this Noah?

I mean - it's a very vague statement that is highly subjective, and doesn't really contain any objective statements that can be evaluated by anyone.

It's the same as saying Mars really has issues.....

Andrew

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:27 AM Noah via zanog-discuss < zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

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Folks

I will be very honest. We really have issues in this continent.

Cheers, *.**/noah*

On Tue, 9 Sept 2025, 10:47 pm Edrich de Lange via zanog-discuss, < zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

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Hi all

With the upcoming AFRINIC election, ZANOG encourages all eligible voters to research the candidates, and cast their votes carefully. We believe the candidates below represent the best mix of experience, integrity, and commitment to strengthening AFRINIC, combining technical expertise, governance knowledge, and a dedication to transparency, accountability, and member-driven leadership for the future of our Registry

https://election.afrinic.net/candidate-slate

Seat 1 (North Africa) - Abdelaziz Hilali Seat 2 (West Africa) - Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun Seat 3 (Indian Ocean) - Kaleem Usmani Seat 4 (Central Africa) - Laurent Ntumba Seat 5 (Southern Africa) - Carla Sanderson Seat 6 (East Africa) - Fiona Asonga Seat 7 (Non-regional/Independent 1) - Ben Roberts Seat 8 (Non-regional/Independent 2) - Adewole David Ajao

Kind regards

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Hi Mark, I would say SmartAfrica Directives, look at the full plan ahead and you will get it right. I get it you feel, but the following days and weeks will unfold what is not yet publicly told

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:16 AM Mark Elkins via zanog-discuss < zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

Hi folks

There will always appear to be problems as long as there are people that disagree with our personal viewpoint....

On that subject - why is ZANOG suggesting non-South Africans for seat 9 whilst I am standing for that seat. Don't we want a little more influence on the AFRINIC Board. Please vote for me for seat 8.

I am an ex-AFRINIC Board Member (the board needs some history), the re-creator of CO.ZA, DNS Trainer, part of the DNS Study of Africa, Part of the ICANN DNSSEC & Security management, local ISOC Board - etc. I run an ISP, am a Registrar and Registry operator of EDU.ZA On 10/09/2025 08:25, Noah via zanog-discuss wrote:

Folks

I will be very honest. We really have issues in this continent.

Cheers, *.**/noah*

On Tue, 9 Sept 2025, 10:47 pm Edrich de Lange via zanog-discuss, < zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

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Hi all

With the upcoming AFRINIC election, ZANOG encourages all eligible voters to research the candidates, and cast their votes carefully. We believe the candidates below represent the best mix of experience, integrity, and commitment to strengthening AFRINIC, combining technical expertise, governance knowledge, and a dedication to transparency, accountability, and member-driven leadership for the future of our Registry

https://election.afrinic.net/candidate-slate

Seat 1 (North Africa) - Abdelaziz Hilali Seat 2 (West Africa) - Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun Seat 3 (Indian Ocean) - Kaleem Usmani Seat 4 (Central Africa) - Laurent Ntumba Seat 5 (Southern Africa) - Carla Sanderson Seat 6 (East Africa) - Fiona Asonga Seat 7 (Non-regional/Independent 1) - Ben Roberts Seat 8 (Non-regional/Independent 2) - Adewole David Ajao

Kind regards

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Hi Hendrik

There were meetings by SmartAfrica and discussions as well. An email invite then the technical consultant was there along with two lawyers. the Lists are a depiction, except this time for one seat. It is no longer news that there are plans to relocate afrinic to Ehiopia

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:10 AM hvjunk hvjunk@gmail.com wrote:

Good Day Amin,

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On 10 Sep 2025, at 10:19, Amin Dayekh via zanog-discuss <

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Hi Mark, I would say SmartAfrica Directives, look at the full plan ahead

and you will get it right. I get it you feel, but the following days and weeks will unfold what is not yet publicly told

Could you please be so kind as to release those papers? It is starting to sound like the boy crying wolf, and if it is legal actions that is preventing you, rather not speculate and spread F.U.D. until the time comes.

Hendrik

Nishal,

That is very correct, double check

On the other hand, contingency planning is indeed a healthy part of governance, and I appreciate your clarification. At the same time, I must (respectfully) say that my concern is not about whether options existed, but about how and when they were raised. The fact that I may not speak of certain matters does not mean I am unaware of them. This goes back as far as 2021 or 2022.

If you had been present in that meeting, you would have realised that this was not presented as a neutral “contingency.” Relocation was raised not as a distant possibility, but in a way that suggested it was already being shaped as a community consensus even though such proposals had been on the table since 2020–2021 and were already rejected. The very framing of the question *“should AFRINIC relocate, and to which country?”* at a time when the Registry was under severe legal and institutional pressure, created the impression of a community-driven mandate that did not truly exist.

Moreover, in this election a segment of our membership cannot even vote, because of earlier court orders. Would it not have been more strategic, through the same Smart Africa engagement, to focus our collective effort on lifting those chains, safeguarding AFRINIC’s survival, and strengthening the foundations of governance rather than opening relocation as the headline discussion? From a strategic and marketing perspective, such timing sends the wrong signal to members and governments, especially when ministers are themselves being drawn into the conversation.

Perhaps the most responsible course now is to allow the new Board to settle and to concentrate on repairing governance, protecting the membership, and restoring trust in the Registry. That is where the community’s strength lies.

And finally, without any sense of discrimination but as a simple observation, I do find it striking that the call for “new blood” is directed at some, while at the same time, very familiar old faces continue to appear on the same lists. Renewal is important, but it must be genuine, not selective.

Kind regards, Amin Dayekh

On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:55 AM Nishal Goburdhan via zanog-discuss < zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2025, at 11:24, Amin Dayekh via zanog-discuss wrote:

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It is no longer news that there are plans to relocate afrinic to Ehiopia

this is incorrect.

there are _several_ countries that are being considered as a “safe haven” for a future … african registry.

ET was considered because for obvious reasons (flight hub, home of AUC, ..). it’s not my place to discuss and explain each of the rest - except to say that, if a future african registry had to relocate to *anywhere* it would *absolutely* require the assistance of the receiving country’s government. again, the reasons should be self-evident (tax exemptions, visas, etc.). and having a recognised IGO paving the way for those discussions to begin, is not the ragnarok that people claim it is. in fact, i would say it’s quite healthy, because they bring gravitas to any negotiating table.

what you *should* have taken away from that call is “here are options; go discuss”

that’s called: “planning for contingencies”. which, is healthy. don’t confuse that with “conspiracy”.

there are several iterations of what a future “fixed” afrinic might look like. it is too early to speculate what the final outcome would be, but whatever that is can not happen without buy-in from afrinic’s membership. if you are trying to imply that smartafrica doesn’t recognise this, or is seeking to subvert that, then, goto (1).

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Hi Mark,

On 10 Sep 2025, at 10:13, Mark Elkins via zanog-discuss zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za wrote:

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There will always appear to be problems as long as there are people that disagree with our personal viewpoint….

Welcome to life and politics, where the only things that matter is how you can push down your opponent down in the most vile way possible…. yeah, I don’t like politics and the only trustable politician is not even the one on the burned police photo, but the one in his grave ;(

On that subject - why is ZANOG suggesting non-South Africans for seat 9 whilst I am standing for that seat. Don't we want a little more influence on the AFRINIC Board. Please vote for me for seat 8.

There is an Afrikaans saying: “Jakkals prys sy eie stert” (Direct translation: The jackal praises his own tail)

I am an ex-AFRINIC Board Member (the board needs some history), the re-creator of CO.ZA, DNS Trainer, part of the DNS Study of Africa, Part of the ICANN DNSSEC & Security management, local ISOC Board - etc. I run an ISP, am a Registrar and Registry operator of EDU.ZA

And the community should be grateful for those contributions Mark… they might not be as thankful as you want them to be.

And here is the problem, getting back to my first statement above, you’ll be putting a bigger target on your back than before, and I don’t want to see your other work marred with the dirty politics this coming AfriNIC board would have to deal with and sort out. I don’t envy them...

By your own admissions in your last last paragraph, you served the community more by doing the technical stuff you are good at. Please, rather get involved with your trainer experiences in promoting IPv6, as THAT is a area that is in need of education and growth to make a technical difference in the foreseeable future Mark.

Hendrik Visage