Ben, Subsea and terrestrial fiber must have a good business outcome to operate, Earth stations being built by low orbit satellites and operated by same are isolating conventional companies who rely on ISPs to resell, private consumers and organizations. There is only one station in AFRICA, all traffic is routed through it as per the last time I CHECKED. One dominator in the Market isolates others and probably they will be forced to shut down, reduce operations, come up with a good competitive product or diversify, etc...  

wait until the market saturates well. Some users are subscribing to roaming services and then actually using the service in countries where the product is not yet licensed.

this user, and his likes, business or residential, disconnected from another provider.

there is a bunch of ISPs here considering seriously to shut down 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 9:14 AM Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts@liquid.tech> wrote:
Amin,
Satellites have to talk back down to the ground.  And how do you think those ground stations talk to the rest of the internet.  Sub sea and terrestrial cables maybe?

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Thank you Ron

But mark my words, Starlink will one day go TITSUP and have an outage which will be as long as if not longer that a submarine cable outage and an organization that solely relies on it will be crying it its own bowl of soup.

I think the Constellation of LOS gives it the upper hand here with the number of Satellites orbiting, yes the services might be degraded at "lower speeds" but not similar to what we experience when there is major fiber cut. Last Month it survived a solar storm.

 business location saturate any link at > 300mbs on average and a home is probably far less.  

As I said, it is a fantasy only, people want to brag about internet speeds regardless of what they actually need, but for Businesses, I have seen some that di saturate their link's capacity. Some assume higher bandwidth means faster internet, it is a selling point because it all depends on the ISP policies and Contention Ratios. 

I have seen some Starlink Speeds here around 10 and 20 Mbps. People find it hard sometimes to admit that you were honest in your opinion, and they they did the wrong decision but at the end, it is a fast-selling sexy packaging product that really might affect, with its similar competitors, the internet worldwide, the governance, data privacy, and much more.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 6:27 AM Ron B via zanog-discuss <zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za> wrote:

From: Amin Dayekh via zanog-discuss <zanog-discuss@lists.nog.net.za>


I agree with you and i never implied that the satellite can carry (as it is now) the capacity of the fiber. Future might unfold new technologies to the contrary. In the 90’s the speeds were in kbps and now i am preparing for Gigabit connectivity for residences.

 

Your post is very good and you should convert it into a blog post.   It has all the justification of why organization need resilience and where Starlink can meet the requirement.

 

But mark my words, Starlink will one day go TITSUP and have an outage which will be as long as if not longer that a submarine cable outage and an organization that solely relies on it will be crying it its own bowl of soup.

 

PS: I have yet to see a business location saturate any link at > 300mbs on average and a home is probably far less.  I have a guy who has 1gbs and uses only 40mbs.  Ask him why?  Its faster. Its not, his RDP session are as fast as they will ever be even at 50mbs.
A separate problem with which many people muddy the waters is that there is an underlying network kit problem where the kit is unable to sustain low latencies for sessions at high bit rates on a link.

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